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Dilemma of Niantic: Banning Paying Spoofers or not

I've read a lot about spoofing recently. I'm glad that almost everyone agrees that spoofing is unjustifiable. Then it comes to the question that why there are still so many spoofers. Can't Niantic do anything about it?
Some people argued (https://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/q-a/spoofing-myth-debunked) that there must be some payoffs from leaving spoofers unbanned from Niantic's perspective. It's not that they cannot detect them, but they choose not to ban them(or hasn't decided how to).
I must say that I agree with such point of view. It is this conflict between Paying Customers & Spoofers that holds Niantic off.
Consider there's a spoofer detected by Niantic. Just before banning him, one employee found the spoofer's purchase history suggesting that he has spent over $1,000 on this game. What then?
If they decide not to ban him, then what about spending just $100? If still not, what about just $10? And finally, spend nothing (definitely banned)? So in between, there's a cut-off line above which an account is free from banning? Sounds ridiculous.
As many said, there are A LOT OF ways to detect spoofers. The machine learning way, the statistics way, even the simple reporting system way....Niantic just cannot decide this "cut-off line".
Also, there has been the conflict between spoofers and paying customers. If they don't hurry up banning spoofers, those hurt paying customers are probably gonna quit the game or be spoofing.

Asked by bioweapon5 years 4 months ago
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There is no need for a dilemma. They could have use many degrees from soft to hard ban.
5 Minutes Ban,
1 Hour Ban,
1 Day Ban
1 Week Ban
1 Month Ban
permanent Ban.

They could take out all pokemon of the gyms, when a spoofer with a Weekly or Monthly ban. There should be a clear notice, why he is accused, and which step of punishment is active.

Other possibilities: regional restriction of an account, or forbid to be active in gym....

They can do many things to warn a player. Permanent ban should be the last resort.

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This seems like a really good solution to me. Completely agree with you, banning them permanently will cut-off large percentage of players and hurt niantic even more considering some of the spoofers have spent real money and probably will spend more money on the game, also on top that, they will discourage companies from paying for sponsored pokestops if large number of players stop playing. Gradually increasing the severity of the punishment is the best they can do right now, they don't even have to ban them from the game permanently, just ban them from battling gyms PERMANENTLY and ban them from the upcoming PvP

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Interesting question, but I find your supposition flawed. In the vast number of cases a spoofer is able to hold ~10 gyms a day, use the infinite for hatching (plus bought incubators), spoof to find anything that is in 10K eggs, and will NEVER buy a lure or incense. The wise ones also probably have a legit account on the side, and are concerned about putting money into an account that may be sitting on a list for the next ban wave.

Niantic isn't great at listening, but I imagine they are hearing the calls that spoofing is ruining the game for your average player, which is their true income base.

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How about some spoofers who paid before spoofing (a transformation)? That's another possible case.
Yes, spoofing is ruining the game. I'm a paying customer. Seeing they got so many perfect mons (without spending money) that I daren't even dream of ruins my feelings a lot, makes me feel like an idiot. That's why I'm not considering any future expenditure in this game. And I think I'm not the only one feels this way.

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Or the opposite, what about players that spoofed in the past but have stopped spoofing as increased app security has made it more difficult? Is there a cutoff for how long they have been playing legit since they spoofed? Or is any amount of spoofing in the past ban-worthy?

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Or is any amount of spoofing in the past ban-worthy?

A account, that was botted to level 35 and sold via ebay is banworthy imo.
A 100%IV-snorlax from australia and no other spoof since.... i am not sure.

The methods to find spoofers, that are discussed here, take actual behaviour into account. I am not sure, if historical server-client-communication is recorded and can be analyzed. I assume, they will try to catch spoofers in the act.

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Most of us have to pay because we don't cheat - I rarely keep more than 1 or 2 defenders in a gym, so to buy more incubators (and other stuff sometimes) I have to buy coins.

Spoofers can collect 100 coins a day... so wrong... Ban them all (even if they spent some cash, perhaps before they started cheating). It's the risk they take.

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The problem is... theres not really a 100% acurate way to detect spoofers, unless they are stupid, or they spoofing app is crap, at least with the current technology. The risk of banning legit players with conection problems is too big for them.

From an economic perspective, forget what the spoofer himself spends, what happends if you start banning people is, if they decide to stop playing... some of their friends will probably stop playing too, and they migth or migth not be spoofers themselves. Yes in an ideal world they would ban all spoofers, but things are not as simple as some of you want to make them look like

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by apax 5 years 4 months ago

They should ban them because in that case Niantic won't be able to find sponsors. How can you expect Starbucks to pay you when half the time Starbucks Pokestops are spinned from home and not at a Starbucks table enjoying the Pokemon coffee? :P

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There is a simple solution to this problem: Divide players into spoofers and non-spoofers, and let each group have their own version of the gyms. So the spoofers can battle other spoofers, and the honest players never see any of them just as if they wouldn't exist.

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I played Pokemon over a 1 1/2 year ago. I noticed I doubled the millage on my car; I doubled my monthly gas purchase, I also increased the replacement on my brake pads and tires on my car.

Pokemon grounders are adding tires, brake pads, and other stuff to land fills at a faster rate than spoofers. I decided to spoof to save on car expenses and to be more of a green player.

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I agree with this I spoof mostly cause I don't have data but I never leave my city is that really cheating if I am hindered from playing when not spoofing

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